Raven or Glee?

Hi you guys as I usually say in the Guild chat.

I am Raven in this server but is that really all about me? I clearly got a longer history than just the character Raven which is also known as the leader of the Guild "Artifact". My history in this server is that I duped items for my own gain, I got forgiven since Joe was showing true kindness to me, but I did him wrong by duping again. And I finally got that ban, I deserved that ban.
But then I finally decided to make a new character, to get a new start to be apart from the EU members that I've been around for too long. So I made "Raven". The reason for why I am disliked by the most of them goes back to the time I played on the Dragonica EU server, I was tricking and playing faul.
My aim with this is to see if you guys think I deserve another chance to play on this server again. So should I or should I not get it? I want your oppinion on this matter even if you do not agree to any point, your voice matters even if you are just some noob player.

Raven its the best player for me
He help me at my start from now
He are Nice and Funny
He created an Guild
And all player are nice because Raven is here

Friendly,Strenght

How many chances have you gotten? This is literally the 10th time you're asking for another one.
I have spoken to you in the past. Many has in fact, tried their best to change you to be a better person but you constantly and relentless keep shitting yourself over and over. I've given you too many chances to change and i dropped it years ago. Asking for forgiveness (for your current action) is too late, you only act innocent cause you've lost what seems precious to you. In my book you should be blacklisted and forever gone. After all these years I'd expect you to at least learnt your lesson, i guess I really had too much faith in human nature. I repeat. You've broken the law of this server hence, your good nature does not change the gravity of your actions. You said it yourself. Actions speaks more than words. In any case, you have no rights to even step inside this server ever again.
My final verdict is: You don't deserve your account back. Start from scratch.

Ive been playing this game for 7 years.. and always so much drama .
Everyone deserves a second chance , i know raven since 2 weeks all ive seen is he is a helpfull guild master , also responsible even with the bsq incident ect.. he didnt make any one do anything everybody understood the risk and took it as it was a non-harmful bsq farm(in my opinion)
and tbh raven or artifact wasnt the only one doing that it .
he's always helping his guild members recruiting newbies and guiding them through the game , farm,build ..
so why holding such a grudge for a long time and not giving him a chance to prove himself and to correct his mistakes
after all this is just a game .
we should not judge a person because of his past.

K. 2nd chance wasted. No more chance. I agree with you.
seriously do you have any slightest idea how many chances hes been given? This is not about giving any second chances out of kindness. This guy deserves no more chances. In the law he should be punished hard for repeating SAME actions. Sorry but whatever these new pleps has to say. It is irrelevant to give him 2nd chance cause this is literally the 10th time. Can you guys read before posting? A crime cannot be nullified even if youre nice or not.

Norie, I got it, you don't want me in the game, but I had the most active and the biggest guild so please respect my guild members. It does not matter how long they played comparision to you.

You all got the same voice, no one is above anyone Norie.

Guck Flee

I'm sure I haven't posted my opinion regarding this matter yet.

I've helped you before when you asked for another chance, and I've been nice to you and let it go, you wanted to go as another identity, and I went along with it.

But when I heard you were sort of hating on my because I was streaming that and you got banned as a result. I don't know.

It's like Phazt said, you have gotten so many chances. But I honestly don't know if I want you gone or stay. S o.. kinda neutral?

And for the other players, you say Raven help other and guide. But every major guild out there is doing the same. Even Gilas PH is helping their SEA players.

LostHeaven is helping whoever they can, it can be a bit harsh at our place but it's so everyone gets stronger and is able to function on their own.

When I spoke to some of the members who got banned because of that bsq incident, one of them said they didn't know about it being violation to the rules. Let alone even know the rules.

Before I make my statement, let me say, I do obviously not know the entire story.

Raven was arguably one of the nicest players I have met in this server (although i don't really talk to many players). He didnt have these ego/pride issues the pvpers like me have. Just friendly, I liked that.

However, as far as i know, the warning he got was legit. Was his past the basis for his final ban, I don't know. However, i do believe what happened in another game should be irrelevant to how he is judged in here. Once again, I dont know if there was more.

The people who know me will know i wouldnt bother posting here if I didnt have a great ingame experience with this person.


PS: Remember to Keep It Pure

Other players wrote:
he deserves a 2nd chance

This is about giving him the 11th chance

His final ban, is a result of combined and of recent violation due under the name of Raven the character player.

Here's a list of the current violations that keeps him banned right now:

 - Encouraging players to violate rules of the server & inviting them into unknown actions resulting to violation
 - Constant bothering and lying to the Game Master
 - Multiclient exploitation after getting the full explanation of the rule violated
 - Threatening the server/owner of server to attack the server or make it lose players (bringing players with him) to somewhere else

Players should also know that Raven was supposed to be Permanently IP Banned since 2015. Note Permanently under the violations of Duping and cheating multiple times after given multiple chances.

I allowed this player to play again by my own kindness starting from scratch but was bothering me over and over 15 times to unban his old account. Pretending not to be that person and constinuesly lying to me.

On the surface he seems like a nice person now and behaves well. Very helpful and friendly too. However, after he got banned, he made the impression that even Peachie who wasn't at fault of getting him caught in this incident, to be a dead name. A.k.a showing grudges from such thing.

What this tells me, under the friendly act. Lies the true harboring evil intentions that he holding back, everyone has this though.

From the past and even present, he has treatened me multiple times. So for me, it doesn't seem like he really is a friendly person. That is all an act, but an honest act of trying to become better. Yet is provoked on his own leading to misbheaviour.

As the a person involved in EX-Dragonica. I myself do not want this guy back. I do not wish to give a 11th chance, but I will let you guys decide this.

The following message is a personal opinion of Artifact's ex-Vice Lead Clayxmore and should not be taken as insult or offense to anyone.

You probably read this often enough here already, but I want to start with what I think made Raven a good being. He was helping anyone, even those who have a difficult time understanding simple mechanics, which in turn needs some bit of patience. I know I've sometimes run thin on that patience, but Raven seemingly didn't when it came to helping his guild. He went out of his way to help others not only with defeating big bosses, but also by providing with his Cash and/or W-Coin.

But what I noticed is that when it came to... specific matters, he was very short-tempered and just didn't know when to stop, always provoking, always trying to stir the flame, which pulled me down, though I am always someone who takes things to heart a bit too often, when I know I should not.

I didn't know who to trust anymore after I got to know what Raven did in his past. Had to ask him myself on multiple ocassions regarding some topics, but was sometimes greeted with what I felt were lies. Nevertheless, he held the guild Artifact together, kept it functioning, put his trust in me, when I only just begun to play on this server - yeah, I somehow became Vice Lead in my first week of playing, I think - and that gave me hope and the feeling that I had to help other players in the same way he did.

I don't think I will join Artifact or what is left of it again, but some players of Artifact were devastated, I assume, so for the sake of them I would vote to unban him again. Maybe give him some time in which he can try to become a better person, then review it at the end of the time period and then ban him... or let him be.


Friendly reminder again, it is my opinion and how I got to know Raven. I don't know him as long as some of you do, so I can't really tell much about him, but I tried to put my opinion into a bit of text.

Raven wrote:Norie, I got it, you don't want me in the game, but I had the most active and the biggest guild so please respect my guild members. It does not matter how long they played comparision to you.

You all got the same voice, no one is above anyone Norie.

You realize this is about you and not the others right? Stop taking irrelevant things into considerations. Really. Let me state it once and for all. I couldn't care less what you did in the past and how much I dislike you as a person. I'm stating concrete facts the actions you made lately led you into oblivion. At first I was worried for this thread mainly for ignorant players to keep you ingame. All these unnecessary ''Glee's a good person, helped me and deserves to be back plox''
That provides us absolutely nothing. Sure I get it. you're a nice person good for you. Let's put it this way, a real criminal can be nice too. No matter what background. Once you break the law, you're in trouble. Now Imagine their friends or family whatever defending him. Do you honestly think the court would accept comments like ''He's a good guy, please don't jail him''? That's absurd. No this is nowhere close but this is a perfect example of your situation. Out of kindness, Yes I totally respect you for helping your members and friends but all these rambling and opinions from others DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT You should get banned. You should be thankful to many here who provides you so many chances, I would instantly block you forever. I'm not a bad guy. I just follow the law.

Once a person already recived a punishment for their actions there is no reason to do so again.

Since you brought up this about criminals, do you see criminals get locked in again after they just finished their punishment? No that is not how things work.

I got your oppinion about me rejoining so I do not need any further statments from you.

This is why you need to pay attention to what people say. Why do I literally feel like I need to tell you everything from your past to this point? Really. This pisses me off so much.

Yes in that context. Joe banned you and you and let you free again, you broke the rules once more (multiple times in fact) And you go back to jail. Do you understand?! Why is there ever NO reason to put you back in jail if you fking break the rules again, seriously pay attention. It's not just about me wanting you gone. You simply need to learn how to function in the society. Your accounts should be locked forever, start from scratch again.

Okay, I think you've misunderstood something Raven.

The topic here was WHY we should unban you. And you are to be honest and admit your wrongdoings, let other know what this is about.

And if they are still willing to accept you or not.

What I want to know, is what part of me banning you is wrong, and why should I not be banning you.

all i can say about raven : stupid

Raven wrote:Once a person already recived a punishment for their actions there is no reason to do so again.

Since you brought up this about criminals, do you see criminals get locked in again after they just finished their punishment? No that is not how things work.

It is how things work if they break the rules agian

From my point of view, which basically started the whole thing.

I had just started again a few days ago, at first I had no idea who Raven was or seen the guild Artifact.

I got some gear, went BSQ, and the first thing I see is Raven with some guildies "abusing" or farming BSQ with multiclients and spawn killing which I obviously was against and so the rules, I said so when I entered. The rule states everyone has to be in agreement to be allowed to farm BSQ, which obviously I was not. Peachie started recording and both me and her took screenshots of the whole thing.

After the BSQ Raven tried to find loopholes or put the blame on either me or others. After a while he lost his cool and went back to his old glee way. Which obviously only fueled the fire for his punishment, he started telling the usual sexual jokes/insults, queen jokes etc, both in mega and all chat, and kept going like that for the next few hours.

The next day all the rewards he had got deleted including the ones in guild vault, which to be fair is a punishment I deemed enough, but he kept going and going and eventually got banned again.

And here we are. I personally dont mind if glee gets ip unbanned aslong as his accounts stay banned or deleted, so he would have to start over.

Also I have nothing at all against the rest of Artifact, if glee tricked someone into something then they deserve to be unbanned, although this can be hard to prove without screenshots, witnesses or similar.

Joe is asking for the game community so ill leave my opinion based on the past records this guy has commited, Literally tho idk this "raven" guy but reading his past violations and not to mention how many times he was forgiven "10th times" yet he kept doing it over and over again and u could clearly say this guy wouldnt stop at any times. To be honest tho if ur just using the "nice guy" act so ur members will cover ur ass and save u from IP banning ur account which is pretty obvious to me, u already had alot of chance to changed yet u wasted all those 10 chances that joe and the moderators has given you.

One more thing tho, i noticed this dude likes to "Drag" his fellow members to commit violation which is not good for the game itself coz it will encourage the other players to do the same thing.

So i say NO~